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产后抑郁新解
Is There New Hope for Treating Postpartum Depression?
Kendra Pierre-Louis: For Scientific American’s Science Quickly, I’m Kendra Pierre-Louis, in for Rachel Feltman.
The birth of a child comes with a swirl of positive emotions: awe, joy, relief.
And yet, for many birthing parents, this postpartum period can also be accompanied by months—or even years—of debilitating depression. For some of these parents, traditional antidepressant meds like sertraline, better known as Zoloft, and fluoxetine, aka Prozac, have provided some relief. But many with postpartum depression have had little recourse. That may be starting to change.
Science journalist Marla Broadfoot looked into a new drug that might better treat people for whom relief has remained elusive.
Marla joins us today to talk about her recent story in Scientific American. Welcome, Marla.
Marla Broadfoot: Thanks for having me.
Pierre-Louis: At a very basic level can you explain what postpartum depression is?
Broadfoot: So at a basic level it is a mood disturbance. For a long time it was lumped in with all kinds of depression, like garden-variety depression, but only recently have people begun to realize—and researchers in particular—realize that [it] is its own entity.
Pierre-Louis: Mm-hmm.
Broadfoot: And part of that has to do with hormones and the big fluctuations in hormones during pregnancy and in the postpartum period and how the brain responds to that and how the brain responds in ways that maybe make you more vulnerable to mood disorders.
Pierre-Louis: And developing a mood disorder or some sort of a mental health issue post-pregnancy’s extremely common, correct?
Broadfoot: Yes, it’s very common. I mean, I think it’s 500,000 people in the U.S. develop postpartum [depression] every year, so that’s very common.
Pierre-Louis: And I know in the article you begin by talking about this woman named Kristina Leos. Can you tell me about her?
Broadfoot: Yeah, so Kristina is a 40-year-old nurse and mother of three, lives in Midlothian, Texas. And she told me that postpartum depression felt like a heavy cloud hanging over her. She felt like she was separated from her family and everything she loved. And it made her believe things that weren’t real. She thought that she was a burden to her family, that she was unfit to be a mother. At one point she actually [messaged] a friend and said, “Please come take my baby. I, I can’t take care of her. You could take care of her.” And she was, yeah, not afraid to die at one point. She even envisioned just driving off a bridge and thinking that would probably be the be—best outcome.
Pierre-Louis: Oh, wow.
Broadfoot: And because she was a nurse she kind of recognized the signs. And so she tried just about everything—she tried a bunch of different antidepressants and doses, and she would get better a little bit, and then she’d get worse again.
Pierre-Louis: Mm-hmm.
Broadfoot: And so she got to the point, it was, I think, nine months after the birth of her third child, Victoria, that her doctor said they were running out of options.
Pierre-Louis: Mm-hmm.
Broadfoot: And she gave her three options, which were ketamine, electroshock therapy ...
Pierre-Louis: Mm-hmm.
Broadfoot: Or admission to a psychiatric hospital.
Pierre-Louis: Oh, wow.
Broadfoot: And at that point she already felt so much guilt from not really being there for her family that she couldn’t imagine—it was about Christmastime, too, and so she really didn’t wanna be away from them. And that’s where the story of zuranolone comes in.
Pierre-Louis: Yeah, what is zuranolone, and what makes it different from the antidepressants that she was taking?
Broadfoot: Yeah, so they act very differently on the brain, so there’s actually a lot that’s different about them. So the SSRIs are selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, so essentially, they’re boosting kind of these feel-good brain chemicals.
Pierre-Louis: Mm-hmm.
Broadfoot: And that takes a while. It’s something that kinda has to build up in your system over time. So they typically take four to six weeks or longer, and maybe the first round won’t work, and so then you need to try a different one.
Pierre-Louis: Mm-hmm.
Broadfoot: Zuranolone is kind of a way of resetting your brain. So it is actually directly acting on the way that the brain circuitry works to help you calm down in times of stress. And so it—if you can target that, which zuranolone is targeting one—it’s called the GABA [gamma-aminobutyric acid] system.
Pierre-Louis: Mm-hmm.
Broadfoot: If it targets that, then you have a calming effect, and then it’s a more immediate effect. And they found that in clinical trials it worked within days. And the treatment typically takes a couple weeks to just fill the whole treatment, and then you typically don’t have symptoms come back after that.
Pierre-Louis: It seems like one of the differences between looking at postpartum depression versus sort of normal depression is normal depression is kind of, like, how your brain is, and postpartum is almost, like, pregnancy changes sort of the brain system and you’re trying to reset it.
Broadfoot: Yes.
Pierre-Louis: Is that ...
Broadfoot: I think that’s a really good point. I mean, it, it is obviously very complicated. [Laughs.]
Pierre-Louis: [Laughs.]
Broadfoot: But yes, your brain—you know, one thing that people often talk about is, “Oh, it’s just hormones.” Like, anything that’s women’s health is “just hormones.” But hormones are actually a really big deal. And so during pregnancy—I think it’s the third trimester of pregnancy—these hormones like progesterone and allopregnanolone, which is a related hormone, they increase [to as much as] 100 times what they normally are during a typical menstrual cycle.
Pierre-Louis: Mm-hmm.
Broadfoot: And that’s all just reprogramming your brain, kind of remodeling it to prepare you for motherhood. And then at childbirth it just drops off precipitously. And in some women that makes them very vulnerable to mood disorders because their brain hasn’t kind of compensated, and zuranolone is kind of designed to offset that drop-off.
Pierre-Louis: Kind of related to that can you tell me about the, like, melancholic mouse model, and why that was so important in helping research into postpartum depression?
Broadfoot: This is one of those interesting examples of serendipity in science. So there’s this researcher named Jamie Maguire, and about 17 years ago, when she was a postdoc training, she was interested in a different condition—it was a condition called catamenial epilepsy, where your seizures get worse during certain times of the month, during the menstrual cycle.
Pierre-Louis: Mm-hmm.
Broadfoot: And so she was interested in how neurosteroids, these brain steroids, might protect against these seizures. So she genetically engineered mice to kind of mess with and alter this neurosteroid signaling.
Pierre-Louis: Mm-hmm.
Broadfoot: And when she tried to breed these genetically engineered mice she found that they really weren’t breeding well, like, at all.So they seemed perfectly normal until they gave birth.
Pierre-Louis: Mm-hmm.
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